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1st kyu |
hello everyone,
i'm thinking of a dynamic at this point, after selling my Studio Projects B1 and kind of chilling the condenser crazyness that gets us all i guess, at a certain moment in time. I'll have another condenser, but this aint the time nor the room for it. my needs are pretty basic, very good on vocals and acoustic guitars and decent on cabs. decent job at denying street noise and house noise, and especially the crappy room, etc, etc.. i had a 57, but didnt particularly like it. I'm wondering if i should just get it back from my gf, to try it out with my electro harmonix pre, see if the damn thing can transfigure itself and actually sound decent/good. but i frankly doubt it. ive been looking at Sennheisers, 441 (too frigin expensive, even the older ones) and the 421 (still more than i wanna spend, even the older ones). idd like a great all around dynamic for 170 bucks tops. i know this is crazy talking, but my hope, as always, is that there might be some sleeper mic out there, ready to be of use, and hopefully not hyped like the 57 or even the 421 or 441..these are going for a ton of money these days. i should also mention that my other mic is going to be the new ribbon design from T.Bone. it's a wild shot, but i doubt i wont be able to use and love it on vocals cause in theory, it's exactly what i'm looking for..we shall see. thanks a lot in advance! |
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3rd kyu |
I actually really like SM57's and even 58's, but here are some others I have or am looking to try...
Audix I-5 (from your description of what you want and what I have read on this one, you should check it out) SM7 (used might be around $200, great mic!!!) Heil PR-30 and PR-40 (again over $200 though) EV RE-15 or 635a (cheap and supposedly great) Beyerdynamic 201 or M88 (not sure what these cost) Sennheiser e906 (looks very cool and is $170, it might be the next mic I buy...) I'm sure there are lot's of others, Good Luck! |
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Yondan |
I can recommend both the Beyer m88 & the Shure sm7, but it might be hard to find the sm7 for that low a price.
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Now with 21% More Dirty! Shichidan  |
First as you may know, a ribbon mic is also dynamic. Rather than a moving coil design like these others, you have the ribbon. Keep in mind a large diaphragm moving coil dynamic will need its share of preamp gain, but not as much as a ribbon so if you have enough gain for a ribbon you'll be fine with a moving coil dynamic.
If you only ever used the SM57 in a ho-hum pre, you should give it another chance through a good pre. That's where the SM57s really shine. Through lousy pres, they're not very inspiring. It sounds like an Electro-Voice RE-20 might just be your thing. Very natural sounding, high pass filter, and less proximity effect than most cardioids. Very versatile. The industry standard broadcast vocal mic. New would be out of your range at about $400 but you could find one used in your range with a little patience. This is a mic you would hang onto for a long time! Vocal/voice-over, kick, guitar cabs, bass cabs, horns, toms, anything really. I even had em on acoustic guitar when nothing better was around. Sennhieser 421 II would be in your range used, about $300 new. Brighter than a 57 for sure (57s are on the darker side) and mroe forward but a good mic to bring out midrange. I use mine typically on guitar cabs and toms, sometimes snare. Alot of people use them on kick and sometimes vocal but I haven't tried that yet. __________________________________ Because I felt like it, you stupid machine. |
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Student of Life Nidan  |
Souvlaki,
Here is a poll with a lot of helpful information on dynamic mic choices. http://studioforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/15260957...201080741#7201080741 |
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Yondan |
At the risk of redundency....
EV RE10/11, RE15/16, 635A (omni), DS35, Shure SM7/57/58... I scored a couple of VERY old AKG dynamics - D1000 (kinda OK on snares...not real great on anything) and a D202 (2 actual headstacks in one mic, but mono...each stack tuned differently) and it is KILLER on Rhodes/Wirly kinda stuff...placed between toms, is astounding... Also don't rule out any of the early EV ND series (408, 454, etc...) they kill on drums and gtrs....except the 757, I don't care much for the newer ones... If Its Not A Good Idea, Then Why Am I Risking A Career With It? |
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3rd kyu |
i give another vote for saving some money and getting a heil mic.
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1st kyu |
Jimmy, thanks for the reply. I actually don't detest the 57 either you know, plus it's dark as i've heard time and time again, that's something i like...but in my experience, it needs a very good pre in order to harvest good results. i dunno if it's worth the effort of stealing it back from my gf and all that. i now have a pre that gives me all i've ever wanted (at least for a few years i hope), but mics are scarse at this point after letting the B1 go. the audix I5 looks cool as well, i have to do more reading about it. it's supposed to mainly for drums aint it? sm7 is just too expensive i'm afraid :/ the old EV's. ive been watching those for a long time, but the electro harmonix doesnt really have a crapload of clean gain so, idd like to get something a little more recent..i can also happily avoid the weird cabling required for the vast majority of them..but ive had my eyes on these for a while, just not at this point. the beyers...the M88 costs about 300 euros..too much :/ the 201TG is within the budget...wondering how it compares to the 57 though...any thoughts? the senn is also too expensive i'm afraid :/ thanks again, and keep it coming! |
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1st kyu |
im pretty sure they're both over budget by a long shot coplinger, thanks anyway! |
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1st kyu |
dirtyrag, thanks.. i realize i need lots of gain to take advantage of ribbons. my hope is that, as it is a new design, very modern and recent, it'll be different and not need so much gain. at least that's what said out there about these new nady designs and whatnot..bady and tbone are made in the same factory so..if it doesnt go as planned, ill just send it back, no probs. ho-hum...well that's what i think of my electro harmonix pre, but i wanted some heads up before i steal it back  kind of tricky..i just wanted to know wether or not it's worth it, in light of something like the beyer 201 (or something else within the budget), to just not spend that money, and keep the 57. my only uses are really acoustics, amps and vocals..i need it to sound good and big, but still be able to negate the crappy room and ambience noise.the RE20 is very expensive as im sure you know, even used...ill probably swing for it if i cant make the ribbon work for me..more money for the dynamic that way..but at this point, not a chance, not even used :/ any other thoughts? |
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1st kyu |
hey 2db, thanks! im hoping to get some info on the audix there.. |
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1st kyu |
wire, thanks...thing is, i don't think i have the pre for old dynamics just yet...i think this can do a hell of a job on modern condensers, etc, but i'm afraid to get something like the stuff you mentioned, that ive been looking at too for a while now (especially the 635 and 635) and have it not working cause of the amount of gain required...one day ill have the pre for these, right now i just need something that works, hopefully better than the 57.. |
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1st kyu |
hey sean..no can do..money gotta be enough for everything :/  gotta make this work on the budget.. |
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3rd kyu |
Most of the the reviews I have read on the I-5 have raved about it on guitar amps, it is meant to be an "improved" SM57... I don't know about that, but it's worth checking out.
Most reviews have said that compared to an SM57 it's brighter and more open, without the hyped mids... that could be good or bad, it'll be up to you. Audix's D series mics are designed for drums, the I-5 is meant to be an all around dynamic. If you get it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it compared to the 57. |
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1st kyu |
will do Jimmy..
im left wondering how the I5 and the 201 perform on vocals though...wondering if they're suitable. |
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Rade Taylor Shodan |
Has anyone used a Heil mic? I met the designer/owner Bob(?) Heil at AES last October. He was a riot. He said his mics are better than condensers.
I'd love to kow how they really stand up to other mics. Rade |
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Yondan |
I second these. I also agree with those that say a 57 is a great mic if you use a good pre. I've also gotten a lot of good live use out of Sennheiser 845's. Hypercardoid, great on vocals, decent on acoustics and amps. But the m88 and the sm7 are 2 of my favorites by far. If only I knew 1/10th. |
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Sandan |
*deleted post because I put it on the wrong thread*
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Shodan |
The T.bone ribbons are:
sensitivity: -55dB for the square one sensitivity: -60dB for the lollypop You need a lot of gain. I'm still very happy with the Beyer M99, that is close to the RE20, and can be found for the same price the M88 goes for. / Peter Kaersaa |
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1st kyu |
hey shorty...those are really out of my range :/ sadly.. |
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