The finished article based on this rant is available at http://www.studioreviews.com/classicmics.htm

Very interesting post, Dan. I'm one of those people that likes to buy to opposite ("complementary") mics so I tend to think in this way, but I'd never really thought to compare it to the strat vs. les paul. This makes sense and puts an interesting perspective on the mic market. I can dig it

Great analysis of that Dan!!

hmmm... since I play guitar, I think this.

1. I would never play blues on a Paul, too warm, no snap (especially 2nd position Clapton type snap) clap snap??

2. Heavy rock sometimes is ok on a strat, but you have to want that "skwaky" tone, otherwise it would be a paul.

3. Clean tone would be a draw, the Paul was actually intended to be a solidbody jazz guitar only, but failed to do so, hence, its use, and fame. ( abit like the ns 10 history) So, if I was playing a clean smoky jazz type thing, it would be a Paul, obviously. BUT....if I wanted that clunky cool attacky scoopy no- sustain- Joe Pass type sound, a Paul would not do at all, no, not at all. Niether would a strat, even at pos 5.

Almost any cheap jazz box we have at work would be much better!! But, thats the "design" of the jazzbox, not the "wood" its made of.....

The clean tone, to me, on a strat is absolutely UNMISTAKABLE in listening... (I guess that sounds like PoPpMaN), however, the les paul clean tone can be lumped in with many others, as far as discernment.. and while we are at it, the wood that a solidbody electric guitar is made of has almost NOTHING to do with the tone of it, period, when comparing it to an acoustic guitar, which makes a TON of difference! (unless you are talking plywood vs. real wood)

Sorry "golden ears", but the pickup config, the brand of p/u, (winding etc...)and the string guage is what makes a diff. The pickups in the electric are mounted firmly in the body, (les paul style)with little or no chance of any resonance of the wood making any difference in the tone!! And the ones suspended in the strat style guitar, well, what type of "air" is in your p/u cavity??? "Neumann air" haha!!

Anyway, enough of my rant, (for now, muhahauahaa) but unlike recording, this is a category I really KNOW something about!!!

uhhhm..... this is a really good idea Dan, I went south with it somewhere. Mad sent me some meds, sorry!!

Nice! Well put : )

mckay

Awesome Dot! I learned more in that post than I care to admit.

Cos.

Very good reading. Thanks Dan.

Gerald

This would make the C1000S the broken Squire Strat of the micrphone industry? ZING!

great essay Dan!

Thank you for the good readin. I really thought the Studio Projects C series would be on the strat field though!

Dan, thanks! I loved this. Very informative. Probably the most informative post I've read in a very long time.

ADK calls it "Hamburg" vs. "Vienna".

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Originally posted by Chas:
ADK calls it "Hamburg" vs. "Vienna".

Maybe more like (Hamburg, Vienna, and TT) vs TL

what a great article...

it's nice to read about vintage pieces, in relation to each other......

ultimately, it seems, it's all about engineering devices that appeal to the human ear....
hearing something, and capturing it with a mechanical instrument...
all very intriguing to me.......

thanks dan!

Excellent, Dan. A very relevant, useful, and original perspective.

As I'm a Parker Fly fan and aficiando, what would be the microphone equivalent, a Blue ? Of course then there's PRS, and some other popular modern day hybrid's, although they also tend to fall in one camp or another. Hmmm, Line6 modeling guitars...

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The clean tone, to me, on a strat is absolutely UNMISTAKABLE in listening... (I guess that sounds like PoPpMaN),

Funny how I end up a die hard Neumann and Fender fan, huh?

I could actually make the arguement that you're basing it all on "high end response"...and there are other factors. I could align Neumann with Fender in that they both show more of the nuance of the player...while Les Pauls and 414s are just bland, "there", and get the job done.

I guess the comment about there being both mics and guitars being made that are better than the original manufacturers is why I want both a Brauner mic and a Zion guitar

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Maybe more like (Hamburg, Vienna, and TT) vs TL

Just so I don't sound too stupid, I'm not referring to the differences between the actual Hamburg and Vienna mikes, but to the "road to Hamburg" notion that ADK promulgated on its site, describing a basic distinction in characteristic between German and Austrian mikes. It was essentially the same dichotomy that Dot's defined in his Les Paul-Stratocaster analogy.

Chas

Just want to say thanks DOT!
Your analogy is what I call "Good Teaching!"
Some folks have worlds of knowledge but have no way of communicating it to us lowly ones! Or have no desire to do so.
What a great forum and place to learn. Especially for an old fart strictly hobby studio dude!

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Originally posted by Chas:

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Maybe more like (Hamburg, Vienna, and TT) vs TL

Just so I don't sound too stupid, I'm not referring to the differences between the actual Hamburg and Vienna mikes, but to the "road to Hamburg" notion that ADK promulgated on its site, describing a basic distinction in characteristic between German and Austrian mikes. It was essentially the same dichotomy that Dot's defined in his Les Paul-Stratocaster analogy.

Chas

Yeah, sorry that makes perfect sense. ADK's sales pitch is the same notion.

I just had to point out that was in fact not really the case with the Hamburg and Vienna microphones. They are both on the "German" or "Les Paul" side of Dot's mic graph and the TL is their more "Austrian" sounding mic.

cool post Dot. I like the analogy.
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Funny how I end up a die hard Neumann and Fender fan, huh?

I could actually make the arguement that you're basing it all on "high end response"...and there are other factors. I could align Neumann with Fender in that they both show more of the nuance of the player...while Les Pauls and 414s are just bland, "there", and get the job done.

Pop, if you could use , say a 24 band eq to get a paul to sound like pos. 2 on a strat,(or verse visa) with convincingly close proximity, Id say you have a point there. But, you really cant. Thats like saying your U-87 can be dialed up by one of my Marshall mics, thru some notching magic....wait, maybe that IS possible....