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yea, this is great stuff.


that's my second favorite song of all time...everything else is tied for first though.
 
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6th kyu
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Any of you guys know how to widen up a mono recording by using a reverse phase trick?
 
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Rukdan
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Originally posted by soulpressing:
Any of you guys know how to widen up a mono recording by using a reverse phase trick?



I've succcessfully used a technique similar to what Dot described on page 1 after copying a mono track to a second track.




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Yondan
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Originally posted by Studiodawg:
here's an example, if you put a mic on top of a snare (pointing down) and you mic from beneath the snare (pointing up), when you strike the snare, you have sound moving up to the top mic and down to the bottom mic...one "trick" that can make the snare sound better/different is to reverse the phase of either the top or bottom mic/track and hear if this appeals to your ear.


Another app for reversing a mic, for those new to this, is for when you're mic'g the back of acombo amp. Some warmer, thicker tones can be found back there and can come in handy to blend in with a mix of the front of amp mic(s), so reversing the phase on the mic back there is something you might wanna do.
 
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6th kyu
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Dont quiote understand in Logic Pro if I should be using interleaved or split stero recording mode.

After recording in split mode should I switch back to mono then pan L and R?
 
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6th kyu
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Originally posted by soulpressing:
Any of you guys know how to widen up a mono recording by using a reverse phase trick?



I've succcessfully used the technique Dot described on page 1 after copying a mono track to a second track.



So do you copy the mono track to a second then pan left and right, then copy that pair to another 2 tracks then reverse pan and reverse phase?
 
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Rukdan
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Yup, I've done it that way for some synth sound effect-type stuff. With some EQ and phase/pan reversal and some stereo widening effect through an FX box I'd gotten a sort of "surround sound" effect in two-channel--the sound went from the middle of the soundstage to the outside and "around" if that makes any sense. Of course, this alters the frequency spectrum by nature.




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lets try to forget about tape and tune those drum heads.ive been recording local bands for 20 years and the only use for tape in this studio is for the console track labeling and taping down those cords musicians always trip over.Let the toms have ring let the snare sizzle let the kick drun thump.Your mixes will have more of the live feel.Less reveb will be needed and less eq.When i track toms i rarly add eq,more cutting back to get rid of the unwanted over tones.my tip for a metal kick Audix d6
 
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Don't know if this new but I just stumbled upon it.Mixing a Blugrass tune, I automated the panning on the instruments (banjo, guit, mandolin) left and right through the mix during solo,s etc. This simulates the way bluegrass players tend to move around the stage to share mics for solos. It even worked with vocal parts.
 
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Had a vocalist want a "focused but airy sound" yesterday. I recorded her with M/S. I put different differently set high pass filter on each side with a slightly different reverb. I compressed the center slightly heavier than normal. The sides were panned about 1/2 way out and the verbs were about 3/4 of the way out in the stereo field. Lastly I put a wide verb across the entier vocal group with a shade of compression across the whole group.

Results:
1. nice wide splash of voice without smearing.
2. happy client.


"There are two kinds of fool. One says, 'This is old, and therefore good.' And one says, 'This is new, and therefore better.'"
 
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1st kyu
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Any of you guys know how to widen up a mono recording by using a reverse phase trick?
Man Ive tried and tried,but I always cheat,and end up using my TC Finalizer


Looking for that perfect tone
 
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Ive been looking into this forum for sometime now,and I just cant believe that Ive missed this superb thread!!!!!!


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Wanted to get a real big lead guitar sound,without having a room full of Marshalls turned up to 11,,,,this is what I came up with,Im sure its old news.
Used a Behringer V-Amp pro modeler and a Crate 30w Palomino tube amp.
Miced the Crate to 1 mono channel then output from the V-Amps preamp channel to left channel,and output from the V-Amps cab simulator to the right channel,both outputs from the V-Amp are DI to the board.
Simple set up,big sound,the posibilties are endless!


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6th kyu
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Eddies may also want to look into the wall of sound technique.

Here's a neet little trick to get a killer Kick sound, takes a little work, but I have found that lazy enj's are never really that good^^

Ok, record your kick, Do it nicely, DONT EQ in, just pre it up and get a good clean sound. If you mix on a console you can always eq on the out. (Unless you use some duel eq trick i have never heard of, in that case tell me) This works for both in and out micing, or just port micing on your kit btw. ( If you use in and out Apply the next bit of information on your outside mic track.)

Ok you have recorded a killer kick but it just does not have that cool sub boom to it. get an extra power monitor ( everone has one of these right? yeah me either so i just use one of mine) take a 16 inch floor tom and lay it on its side. place the monitor on one side of the Floor tom and the same kick mic you used before on the other side. re record to a 2nd track through the floor tom. (Keep your original)

blend the 2 for a killer kick, If for some reason you are short for tracks its ok to get a good mix and dump these down to a single track.

Ill make a text illustration

Monitor > [FloorTom] > O microphone

Re-Micing has been around awhile but so has alot of things some people have never heard of, One person being myself thats why I cant name any.


I cant spell so well. But what musical genius can. ^^
 
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Originally posted by Omni-Mind:
Eddies may also want to look into the wall of sound technique.

Here's a neet little trick to get a killer Kick sound, takes a little work, but I have found that lazy enj's are never really that good^^

Ok, record your kick, Do it nicely, DONT EQ in, just pre it up and get a good clean sound. If you mix on a console you can always eq on the out. (Unless you use some duel eq trick i have never heard of, in that case tell me) This works for both in and out micing, or just port micing on your kit btw. ( If you use in and out Apply the next bit of information on your outside mic track.)

Ok you have recorded a killer kick but it just does not have that cool sub boom to it. get an extra power monitor ( everone has one of these right? yeah me either so i just use one of mine) take a 16 inch floor tom and lay it on its side. place the monitor on one side of the Floor tom and the same kick mic you used before on the other side. re record to a 2nd track through the floor tom. (Keep your original)

blend the 2 for a killer kick, If for some reason you are short for tracks its ok to get a good mix and dump these down to a single track.

Ill make a text illustration

Monitor > [FloorTom] > O microphone

Re-Micing has been around awhile but so has alot of things some people have never heard of, One person being myself thats why I cant name any.
Wall of sound technique you say?---please explain.


Looking for that perfect tone
 
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Keep on bumpin'








1-Adam-12, 1-Adam-12, see the man, see the man...
 
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1st kyu
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Originally posted by Dot:
Vocal with acoustic guitar

This is a technique for someone who wants to sing and play acoustic guitar at the same time.

Set up the vocal cardioid mic at the height of the singer's mouth about 9" away – give or take a few ".

Put a second cardioid mic down past the bridge - out about 1' or so away from the guitar. And angle the mic at 45 degrees so it's facing the bridge of the guitar.

Set levels and make you're recording.

Then, at mixdown, take the track that used the mic to record the guitar at the bridge, and pan it hard right and reverse the phase. And the track with the vocal should be panned dead center. What will happen is that the guitar track [ while being played with the vocal track on ] will suddenly spread to both speakers and "back up" a bit in the mix – and any of the "boominess" will be gone due to the phase cancellation with the vocal mic. And the track with the vocal will have more room and sit in this nice hole created in the center.

Very effective, and can give a nice, polished sound.


I am glad to see this thread resurface. I tried this technique and it really works well! Such a simple technique, but I would have never thought of it at all. Great technique for recording a vocal/guitar song demo in a hurry with no overdubs.

Thanks DOT!

bilco


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4th kyu
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I stumbled on this a few weeks ago and am using it quite a bit...

I save one of my extra takes (say, on guitar). Doesn't need to be perfect timing, playing etc. - mistakes are ok.

Say the main one is panned at 3:00, I'll pan this one to 9:00 or hard left and use bits and pieces as effect...or automate the level on the entire thing: I'll keep the official guitar very dry and the "spice" ghost track 100% wet with verb with some predelay.

Tossed in here and there, this is some great ear-candy. Mixed to taste, of course. This also works with vocals a la Led Zep etc.


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My one room studio has the console at one end and the vocal booth at the other. I've always had trouble (when I'm recording my vocal alone) reading my preamp's meters. Today it hit me to use my birding binoculars while singing into the mic. Easy.


Darius
 
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