boys, boys, stop it, right now!!

Your eyes are going to stay that way, if you keep looking at each other like that!

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Originally posted by kid-surf:
Skeetch --- do you have any automation on that board?

The Ghost has MIDI and mute automation. Don't use the MIDI part but I've recently been playing with the mute automation. Ghost gets timecode from the Radar and can store up to like 128 mute locations or something like that. Works reasonably well, though I haven't needed it much yet.

I have to admit that automation would be nice at times although I'm not recording bands/clients that really need a lot of that right now. And although there've been times when I really wished I'd had it, it's still not enough for me to chuck the Ghost and go fully computerized. There's of course the option of going with an automated board (dXb or something like that) but the only one that integrates well with the Radar is the DMX-R 100 and it has it's own set of limitations that I'm not sure I could live with.

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Originally posted by Guitwizz:
boys, boys, stop it, right now!!

Your eyes are going to stay that way, if you keep looking at each other like that!

That's Ward Cleaver, right? I'd recognize that voice anywhere.

Tim

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Originally posted by Timothy Lawler:

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Originally posted by Guitwizz:
boys, boys, stop it, right now!!

Your eyes are going to stay that way, if you keep looking at each other like that!

That's Ward Cleaver, right? I'd recognize that voice anywhere.

No, that was his brother, "Meat".....

Well Guitwizz, the next time I see a Leave It to Beaver rerun I'm going to be thinking about how "Meat" was probably Ward Cleaver's nickname with all his old girlfriends.

Oh, wait... this thread's about software, heh-heh.... well, I'd say it doesn't matter... quality is all in the front end anyway.

Tim

Heh. No, no lightpipe on the Ghost. No S/PDIF or AES either. Not a big deal for me right now as I prefer staying in the analog domain as much as possible. I can do a fair amount of digital editing with the 2-track mixes in Sound Forge or CD Architect if a client needs it. If they just really gotta have a bunch of crazy mad editing at mixdown, I can give em the track WAV (or BWAV) files off the Radar and put em in touch with a DAW room.

Most of the clients I've worked with actually appreciate the sort of pseudo "old school" approach I take to tracking because it forces them to commit to a track, a song or a mix and move on. Digital is certainly powerful when it comes to various editing chores, but I think it often creates the "tyranny of choices" - whereby folks spend more time on a mix than they might have in the analog world because they can chop, slice and dice so many different ways. It's like they lose site of the music because they get so buried in the technology. Not saying that happens with everyone who mixes ITB or primarily in the digital realm, but for me it would be a major distraction. There may come a day when I'll have to get some kind of DAW and control surface but I'm really digging the whole analog aspect of recording right now and it just fits real well with my work flow.

dahjah,

I have very limited experience with software so my opinion here does not mean much. The only recording software I have personally tried to use is Nuendo, Wavelab, Reason and Vegas.

Vegas is the only one I use regularly because of its simplicity and power. For me, there was no contest between the apps I mentioned and Vegas as far as my little needs were concerned. I am also using the older version which is Vegas 3.0. That was the version before Sony got their hands on it. I have no idea what the new Vegas is like. Just take my comments with a grain of salt. Good luck, bro.

(( :::kid-surf disclaimer::: ))
This is not a slam against Pro Tools or whatever software you use. I am sure your software works just as well or maybe even better. I am only posting my own experience with Vegas.

Okay, I'm out now. lol

posted by kid-surf:

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Ultimately, I feel that most apps
overlap so much so that to claim one as the clear winner is bullshit.... when someone does that I see nothing but a gear loyalist. And nope, that ain't me. Vince if I went to your place I'd use whatever you had available and be just fine.

I have to agree with Kid on this, and Im not even sure why he recieved the disclaimer!!

Due to the recent debates, I decided to check out Vegas, just to satisfy my own morbid curiousity.

First off I gotta say that I have NEVER seen a program take so long to install. It had about 500 things it had to install before it could even start installing Vegas. I probably could have re-installed windows in the time it took to install this thing. This really has nothing to do with anything, I just found it highly annoying.

Anyways, I've had it up and running for a little while and so far I'm not seeing any editing tricks I can do in Vegas that I can't do in Samplitude just as fast. In fact a few things I have found are actually slower in the way Vegas doesn't appear to create a crossfade when you split an event (even with the auto crossfade turned "on").... Also when you move the left edge of the event on the right of the crossfade (where the crossfade is) it stretches the crossfade instead of moving the whole crossfade keeping the crossfade "in tact" while you move it. Samplitude offers more control over the shape of the fades/crossfades with sliders that allow you to get "in between" shapes, where Vegeas has predefined choices that you have to select from a list.

Other than that it seems to have most of the stuff Samplitude does for basic splicing and dicing. You can change the volume on a "per event" basis, just like in Samplitude.

Any tips I should try to experience the full power of Vegas? Because so far (without having spent years of use on it) I'm not seeing it in the little bit I have been experimenting with it.

-tkr

"Any tips I should try to experience the full power of Vegas? Because so far (without having spent years of use on it) I'm not seeing it in the little bit I have been experimenting with it."

Make sure to turn off everything that pertains to Video (the video stuff is the primary reason it took so long to install. You can configure the video features to be completely transparent in the background for audio only use). My biggest complaint with Sony is that they've now developed Vegas as more of a "multi-media" app with most of the focus aimed at the massively expanding video market. Most Vegas audio only users feel abandoned at this point but that's another story. I continue to use it because it works extremely well for me and I can get around it quicker than I can the other apps I've tried, especially PT, Cubase and Logic. You personally may find that you can do things just as quickly with Samp. Unless one is really used to using a variety of programs, I think "experiencing the full power" of any of them will take some time and effort. I've heard great things about Samp but haven't had an opportunity to work with it yet. It certainly appears to have more audio "features" than Vegas but I'm not sure whether it would improve my workflow or productivity which again, is the reason I keep using Vegas. Frankly if I found something that I liked better, I'd jump Sony's ship in a heartbeat. . . but until then. . .

drbam

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Originally posted by drbam:
Unless one is really used to using a variety of programs, I think "experiencing the full power" of any of them will take some time and effort.

I have actually demoed/used a lot of other programs, including Samplitude (obviously ), SAWStudio, Pro Tools, Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Sonar 4, Cool Edit Pro, Acid, Tracktion, N-Track, Kristal Audio, Fuity Loops, and now Vegas. Basically anything I can get my hands on I'll try it.

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I've heard great things about Samp but haven't had an opportunity to work with it yet. It certainly appears to have more audio "features" than Vegas but I'm not sure whether it would improve my workflow or productivity which again, is the reason I keep using Vegas. Frankly if I found something that I liked better, I'd jump Sony's ship in a heartbeat. . . but until then. . .

There is a demo on the Samplitude website for v8.11. Give it a try and see what you think. I'm the same way in that if I find something better then I'll jump ship as well (I sure did with Cakewalk when I found Samplitude), but I just haven't found anything I like better yet.

-tkr

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Originally posted by Guitwizz:
...and Im not even sure why he recieved the disclaimer!!

So that he would not ask me to defend my post, in a tongue and cheek kind of way. Just take it for what it is... that's all.

Hey Jayson,
I understand completely what you said. I am sure you have much more experience and knowledge about computer music software apps than I do. From my own limited experience, most of the functions seem to be the same from app to app with slightly varying degrees. I really can't see how one app can be so much better than another app.

But remember, that is coming from a person who doesn't know much about that sort of thing.

Oh shit, I neglected ye' all.

Some great responces, nuff to think about.
Even though hardware will play a great role in the future of this studio.

DAHJAH I went from the 2480 to SAW Studios I like it very easy to learn and it's laid out like an old console , I use the 2480 as a 16 ch A/D-D/A with 2 RPC-1 cards .

This lowered my cost as far as equipment outlay was concerned , I also found the TRanzport for control VERY COOL item.

Just my .02$

LAter
Buzz

PS: I would never look back at this point
PSS: I tried PT , samp , nuendo etc. before I made my decision.

mikebuzz, you must be kidding man, SawStudio is the most un-intuitive program I've encountered.

Took me like 8hrs to go thru all the online tutorials, and I still need to look up the manual to do certain things. But I must say I LOVE SawStudio ... it is not easy to grasp, since it doesn't share the same design principles as ProTools/Nuendo/Samplitude but damn! it is the fastest and most efficient program to do edits in (especially fixing up drums) compared to others, once you grasp the notions in how to do stuff.

easyness to learn != working efficiency

Very important ...

Sonar 4.0 gets my vote.

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Originally posted by copperx:
mikebuzz, you must be kidding man, SawStudio is the most un-intuitive program I've encountered.

Ditto! I spent several months with it and even chatted with Robert (I believe that was his name) on the SAW forum and on AIM who is a big SAW guru and is also a distributor of SAW.... And SAW never did "click" with me. Some things were pretty cool about its unorthadox methods and other things weren't. I guess it is a good thing to have something that different, because it gives people more options that are vastly different from pretty much every other program.... Unfortunately, it just didn't work for me.

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Took me like 8hrs to go thru all the online tutorials, and I still need to look up the manual to do certain things.

I also watched every one of the demo videos on his site and as great as they were, some of the features still seemed strange. lol

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it is the fastest and most efficient program to do edits in (especially fixing up drums) compared to others, once you grasp the notions in how to do stuff.

As fast as SAW was in the engine (changing screens, zooming, scrolling etc...) the editing was actually one of the things that I thought was really slow and ackward.

So I guess "easy" is subjective and the best thing is to just download as many demos as you can find until you find something that clicks with you. I have heard people say that Cubase is the easiest program to learn and also that it is extremely difficult to learn.... LOL

-tkr

Count me in as another satisfied Vegas user.

When combined with SoundForge, it's a hell of a one-two punch for recording and editing.

I've tried Sonar, Nuendo, and Cubase, and I keep coming back to Vegas...probably more so because I'm familiar with it now, but I just like the way it's laid out and how intuitive it is to use.