OK, so now I'm working on getting my MIDI stuff integrated with N2. And I feel like I did when I was back trying to get the dang sound output working. ( Which just turned out that I hadn't opened the DSP Mixer - but nevertheless was a problem that took over two days to get solved ) Thanks to Popmann for that one!

Aright, to start, I've got a Korg Trinity plugged into the IN 1 and OUT 1 of the RME/Nuendo DSP soundcard. I am seeing MIDI input on N2. When I try to record something - I get nothing. I see no MIDI out happening either. I do see the MIDI Out indicator on N2 when I make MIDI parameter adjustives within N2 - such as changing MIDI volume.

I do have MIDI THRU turned on. I've made a MIDI track on N2 and am running that track as well as the Trinity on MIDI channel 1.

Any ideas on how to get this working? Thanks!

Dan Richards
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Couple things.

Latest drivers from RME? They only recently made the cards CoreMIDI compatible.

Two...you've hit the little "monitor" button on the MIDI track?

And in the inspector (panel on the left of the screen) both proper MIDI input and output are set? If you need this part to happen faster, you can set up defaults.

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OK, I updated the driver from 1.3 to 1.4 and updated the Mac OS Flash Update Tool. Thanks. Hadn't checked the driver updates for about a month.

I don't have the "monitor" button pressed on. It's gray, not orange.

As far as the Inspector, I have on the MIDI track I've created HDSP9652 Port 1 selected for both IN and OUT. Have my MIDI connections from the Trinity going to IN 1 and OUT 1 on the MIDI cables coming out of the 9652 DSP soundcard.

When I record on the MIDI track, no MIDI data is recorded. I can see that I am getting MIDI input from the Trinty to N2.

Still stumped.


Dan Richards
The Listening Sessions
The Project Studio Handbook

Also have tried selecting on the Inspector from "HDSP9652 Port 1" to "All MIDI Inputs" and still not getting any MIDI data recorded.

The fucked thing in all this is that since Pinnacle has taken over Nuendo there is NO tech support. I'm not even talking about some or bad support. Until they get the company integrated - whatever that means - there is literally no tech support for N2 available. Zilch. And I've tried asking a few basic questions over at the Nuendo forums, and get no replies at all.

Dan Richards
The Listening Sessions
The Project Studio Handbook

First...DO click the monitor button on the track...it will light a orangey yellow when engaged. Without recording this should allow the full pass through of the signal.

Also, if that doesn't work, try switching to the second port PHYSICALLY in the back...they're just labeled with little stickers, I was thinking that would be pretty easy for a factory worker to reverse by accident.

Lastly...do you have any other apps loaded on the machine that will recieve MIDI? You mentioned at some point having Logic...but, I don't know if it's installed.

I got my HDSP a week or two back, and honestly haven't even plugged in the MIDI dongle yet...your woes are making me think I better go home and do that to make sure it's OK.

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Thanks, Pop. Tried switching from Port 1 to Port 2. Same thing. I've been getting MIDI signal input showing in the thin bar MIDI signal bar "VU" meter on the transport bar. But that's the only place I see input. Not getting any input on the big MIDI track "VU" on the mixer window.

Dan Richards
The Listening Sessions
The Project Studio Handbook

That's really odd...and you HAVE clicked the monitor button in the arrange window?

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Yes, I clicked the orange monitor button on. And, anyway, that doesn't affect the input signal - which on the audio tracks works regardless of the status of the monitoring button.

This is weird and depressing. : ) I've set up many systems from scratch with no or few problems. Some very basic things on this are turning into problems that are taking ridiculous amounts of time to solve. And fuck Steinberg for not having any Nuendo tech support.

Dan Richards
The Listening Sessions
The Project Studio Handbook

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Some very basic things on this are turning into problems that are taking ridiculous amounts of time to solve. And fuck Steinberg for not having any Nuendo tech support.

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They may also be confused...you being the only person using their products on Macs.

as to it being a "basic" thing...I'll tell you what, I have more trouble out of MIDI in these newer apps than ANY audio functions. I've had trouble with the inputs having a weird delay...timing problems both internal (softsampler) and external...MTC sync to external devices, both master and slave, being squirelly. I'm not sure I would categorize MIDI as basic anymore. It seems that when they rewrote all these engines and subsystems, they made their priority getting the audio working 100%, and left MIDI as a kind of half assed add on.

Another reason I like Logic. They didn't. Their MIDI is still rock solid, at least the final PC version was. (5.5?) They're softsynths are the best around. Their EXS24 sampler is literally sample accurrate from within Logic-no matter what the filter settings are...

Part of the reason I bought the RME card was that it seems whenever I work on a system that the MIDI IO are attached to the PCI sound card, everything works generally fine. I will hook it up and try it on the new tune. If it gives me any problems, I swear I'll be ordering a new G5 to run LogicPro. It's a fine bundle...$800-900 for the "platinum" version of Logic, plus ALL their softsynths, Space Designer reverb, and new plug ins developed just for the new version. Call it Apple subsidizing it to sell hardware...who cares-it's a fine application for a respectable price.

I will miss Nuendo's Beat Detective rip off functionality, though. That is truly cool. I quantized a conga track last weekend...long story why, but the results were scary accurrate.

I don't know what to tell you, DOT. If Nuendo sees the input (main meters jumping) and you can manually enter something that it does play back, I've got to think it's a bug. Or something we're doing wrong on the assignments...I wish I could sit in front of it...

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...and you can manually enter something that it does play back...

Haven't beena ble to do that at all. The only thing I've been able to do it see MIDI input on the transport bar. Have never been able to enter/record any MIDI information to the track.

I agree. I think I obviously don't have some little silly assignment selected correctly somewhere. Probably along the lines of when I was talking to you on the phone figuring out how I was supposed to get audio output. And it turned out all I had to do was open the DSP Mixer. But even then there was nowhere that the manual says the outputs have to be assigned to 25 and 26 instead of 1 and 2. And little shit like is no good when you're trying to isolate problems for troubleshooting.

Dan Richards
The Listening Sessions
The Project Studio Handbook

Use the pencil tool to manually enter some MIDI notes in a track, and assign it to an output...I thought you had done that...see if it will then playback, or at least show on the MIDI output meters.

FYI...don't use the drum editor, this adds another layer of routing to the equation...just use the key or score editor. Doesn't matter what-just put some garbage in there and see if it plays back. At least them we'll know that it's talking to the RME MIDI IO...

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You should also try using a soft synth to make sure its not just the output... but I guess you'd atleast see the little lines in the track visually if they were recording.

That is messed up about Nuendo 2!

Does that effect future upgrades?

-Dusty

Well, DOT, I hooked the RME MIDI dongle up tonight. Works as expected for me.

...took some serious fiddling to get it to slave to MTC, though. With it as master and the Akai as slave, it was 9 million kinds of flaky...you could hear the audio (sample rate) going up and down. Even turned around and slaved the Akai's audio to the ADAT connecting it to the RME, thinking maybe the master for one should be for all...same deal.

I opened Logic, which is set to autodetect sync by default. All sync'd fine.

Got to try something I'd only heard about. I've heard that for some reason the Akai transmits reall flaky MidiClock...so I slave Logic to it, and I watched the tempo vary from 118-121 bouncing up and down...(it was set to 120)...

And they tell me MIDI timing is fine. Ha.

Anyway. Just wanted to check back. I can't think of any setting I might have set for MIDI that we didn't cover, though...please update us when you get it going, I'm curious what we're missing.

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Well, it appears that Steinberg has tech support available again. For anyone needing the new #:317.577.8770.

I'll try and give them a ring and see if i can get this MIDI interfacing going.

[This message was edited by Dot on 03-12-04 at 01:27 PM.]

Finally got a chance to call Steinberg support. Spoke with Jason. After leading me through a series of checks, he had me go into Preferences to Midi Filter - channel 1 was selected, so it was obviously filtering out channel 1, which was the channel I was using.

Tech support was excellent, and Jason methodically walked me through until the problem was resolved.

I figured it was just some dumb little button/parameter somewhere.

Glad it's worked out...that's weird. That's not a default-to filter channel 1 all together? You've been in there messing around, haven't you, DOT?

I don't remember ever even going into the Midi filter section. Doesn't mean I didn't though.

FWIW I've had to call Steinberg a couple times in the last week or two and they answer the phone quickly and get to the point.

War

I'm starting to think 'Jason' is 'Steinberg'...He's the only tech I've ever talked to.

Stixxs

hey,

i'm having the same problem like DOT, i have M-Audio 88es connected through USB and it works fine with FL studio and Reason but can't get it to work with Nuendo. The midi meter in Nuendo shows activity only the data is not passing through to vsti...